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Pyro maniac · Apr 01, 2008, 07:39 PM // 19:39

KD is good in PvE, hence why brawling headbutt is so popular on a sword bar
[skill]Backbreaker[/skill][skill]Steelfang Slash[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill]

Arkantos · Apr 01, 2008, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by Nexus Icon

I haven't posted here for a looooong time, but someone's saying Counter Blow is a bad skill?
Well, I see the IQ test lets just about anybody in...

In PvE yeah, it pretty much is.

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Backbreaker - 4 second KD and added damage. Knock-lock anyone? Good skill.

Counter Blow - In PvE the AI is stupid, use it to your advantage. High chance of a KD and only 4 adrenaline? Yes please. Good skill.

"I am the Strongest!" - Ok its not amazing but does add damage to your attacks. OK skill.

Fierce Blow - +42 damage on weakened foes for only 6 adrenaline, its a no brainer. Good skill.

Why do you say they are bad?

Back breaker isn't horrible, but I see no reason why you'd run it over earth shaker. Knocking down 1 foe for 4 seconds is alright, knocking down 3+ for 3 seconds is much better.

Counter blow is a conditional knockdown that's most likely only going to be used on melee. Devoting a skill bar for knocking down a melee enemy isn't all that great.

I am the strongest isn't bad.

Fierce blow requires your enemy to have weakness. Even if someone in your party has a skill that causes weakness, there's a chance the enemy you're attacking won't get it, or will get it and removed. I'd much rather take mighty blow, which is the same damage, unconditional and costs 1 more adrenaline.

Tyla · Apr 01, 2008, 08:40 PM // 20:40

Earthshaker, Whirlwind Attack, Crude Swing version beats the living daylights out of that.

@Pyro -- Brawling Headbutt is mainly used in PvE, because it's extremely cheap on a Warrior bar, with no downfalls, and can be practically spammed on your common Godmode Warrior bar. Spammable KD's ftw.

Turbobusa · Apr 01, 2008, 09:56 PM // 21:56

In pve everything attacks, counter blow is a guaranteed knockdown

freaky naughty · Apr 01, 2008, 10:36 PM // 22:36

Earthshaker > backbreaker, OP should try it out.

Arkantos · Apr 01, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

In pve everything attacks, counter blow is a guaranteed knockdown

Casters tend to attack less then melee. Even if you manage to catch a caster attacking, there's still a chance it will use a spell before you manage to get counter blow off.

Honestly, getting one knockdown in before your elite isn't going to make much of a difference.

Cathode_Reborn · Apr 02, 2008, 01:11 AM // 01:11

Before EotN, I'd say Counter Blow was a good skill and actually gave some reason to use a hammer in pve. With Brawling Headbutt there now, it feels outdated like Fierce Blow. Yeah it does cost 3 more adren, but it's a guaranteed KD on everything.

Backbreaker I wouldn't use in PvE because it takes way too long to recharge. That 20+ dmg and extra 1sec KD isn't as strong in pve as it is in pvp. Brawling is basically a non-elite Magehunter's smash, but unblockable in all cases. With that being said, Earthshaker ends up being one of the best choices.

I still hope they'll buff Forceful Blow someday

Anime Divine · Apr 02, 2008, 11:48 AM // 11:48

back breaker is good for monks though
have tried the difference between backbreaker and earth shaker
i like back breaker more cos it just destroys the monks
earth shaker cant compete with a 5 sec knockdown.
earth shaker is only good for mob heavy areas with like no monks and they all ball up on one place.

A Leprechaun · Apr 02, 2008, 12:58 PM // 12:58

I never said you should take Backbreaker over Earthshaker, in PvE I would much rather have Earthshaker. I was just saying that Backbreaker is a good skill, and it is.

~A Leprechaun~

nebuchanezzar · Apr 02, 2008, 03:29 PM // 15:29

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Originally Posted by Anime Divine

back breaker is good for monks though
have tried the difference between backbreaker and earth shaker
i like back breaker more cos it just destroys the monks
earth shaker cant compete with a 5 sec knockdown.
earth shaker is only good for mob heavy areas with like no monks and they all ball up on one place.

Nothing can compete with a 5 second knockdown because it doesn't exist. Not in a single KD anyways, barring chaining KD's. Stonefist gauntlets have no effect on Backbreaker whatsoever. They can only extend a knockdown to 3 seconds maximum. So the difference(assuming you are using Stonefist Insignia) is 1 second. One second vs. AoE KD usually tips the scale to ES for me.

Arkantos · Apr 02, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by Anime Divine

back breaker is good for monks though
have tried the difference between backbreaker and earth shaker
i like back breaker more cos it just destroys the monks
earth shaker cant compete with a 5 sec knockdown.
earth shaker is only good for mob heavy areas with like no monks and they all ball up on one place.

One extra second isn't going to make a huge difference. Chances are the monk you're knocking down is going to have adjacent allies, so most of the time you'll be getting 2+ 3 second knockdowns. Earth shaker is good anywhere that have mobs with at least 3 casters in them, which is a lot of places.

Btw, back breaker is only a 4 second knockdown, stonefist insignias don't affect it.

Shaz · Apr 02, 2008, 11:47 PM // 23:47

I'm pretty sure Rhanoct meant those skills are bad together in a bar and in PvE, not bad skill in general. Though Fierce Blow is pretty bad, one less adrenaline strike than Mighty Blow but the +damage is conditional. Unless Fierce Blow get a buff, I don't see myself ever using that over Mighty Blow even if I have a necro spamming weakness.

blue.rellik · Apr 04, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

One extra second isn't going to make a huge difference. Chances are the monk you're knocking down is going to have adjacent allies, so most of the time you'll be getting 2+ 3 second knockdowns. Earth shaker is good anywhere that have mobs with at least 3 casters in them, which is a lot of places.

Btw, earthshaker is only a 4 second knockdown, stonefist insignias don't affect it.

Just nitpicking

Arkantos · Apr 04, 2008, 03:57 PM // 15:57

Meant bb, editing.